good saturday morning. thank you so much for joining me. i'm phil mattingly in washington. we begin this hour watching several major stories unfolding. catholics around the world mourning the death of the pope emeritus, benedict xvi, passing away at the age of 95. he was the first pope to resign his post in nearly 600 years. stunning the catholic faithful when he stepped down in 2013. his death days afternoon the vatican announced his health had been deteriorating. much more on that in a moment. plus -- >> i'm hugh downs. >> i'm barbara walters and this is "20/20." >> tears also being shed this morning for a pioneering tv journalist, barbara walters, the legendary interviewer died at the age of 93. she became the first female anchor of an evening news program in 1976, and her career spanned five decades.

she passed away peacefully in her home surrounded by family. there is joy and celebration this morning as countries are starting to ring in the new year. we are counting down until 2023. right now live pics from seoul where it just turned midnight. fireworks. all right. [ speaking non-english ] ♪ ♪

[ speaking non-english ] if you play this day right, you can celebrate almost every single hour. one of the biggest bashes will be happening in new york city. gloria pass mean owe is live in times square. no pandemic restrictions this year. a lot of celebrating expected. how big of a crowd are organizers expecting tonight? >> reporter: we are expecting thousands and thousands of people. as you said, this will be the first time that covid restrictions will be lifted. the past few years this event had been significantly scaled down. you know, phil, this is an iconic location, an conviction kay of bringing in the new year. there is no place like it. times square in new york city, the best place on earth. i want to bring you into a little bit of what exactly it takes to throw this kind of

party. i have tom harris here. he is the president of the times square alliance. tom, this party is 364 days in the making. what does it take to put this event together? >> we have a fantastic partnership with one time times square, countdown entertainment and the city of new york. that's to the strategies of mayor adams and hard work of the new york city police department we are inviting the world back to a safer new york city and times square this evening. >> reporter: safety is a big part of this operation. the nypd is out in force. for people who are thinking about coming out, what are the safety precautions people should take and talk a little bit about the safety .

>> looks like we lost connection there. we will check in throughout the course of the day. new york i s ♪ turning back to the death of pope emeritus benedict xvi the vatican announcing the sad news early this morning saying the 95-year-old former pontiff died. he recently had been in declining health. bobby is live in saint peter's square and father thomas reese from washington, a senior analyst with religion news service. we're now learning more details about pope benedict's funeral. what will we see over the coming

days? >> reporter: well, you know, it's a solemn time. it's an interesting time right now because in about an hour pope francis in a previously organized event will be doing a walk about in saint peter's square. there are people here for that. monday we will see, as pope benedict lying in state inside st. peters basilica. we are expecting pilgrims from germany, the catholic faithful to pay their last respects to him. thursday at 9:30 here in rome in saint peter's square he will have a funeral. he was a simple man and his funeral is expected to reflect his lifestyle that way, phil. >> yeah, it's a great point. father reese, i kinda want to start there. a great point about the simplicity that he tried to convey. i think he very much brought that to the table. he was widely seen as a traditionalist, no question, conservative here

papacy? >> well, i think that pope benedict saw himself as a teacher. after all, he was a german professor prior to becoming a bishop. and he was clear in his writings. he published a book on christianity that was very popular in germany. he was the right answers, you flunked. and so he was very firm on upholding what he considered church teaching and those priests and theologians who didn't follow his directions lost their jobs or that sort of

thing. his legacy will be mixed in that sense. >> as a lifelong catholic, i concur with the density of pope john paul ii's writing. barbie, how are people there reacting to this passing? what is the sentiment you are picking up? >> reporter: you know, we have talked to a lot of people. some people didn't know. it was a beautiful day in rome. they were here enjoying the weather, lots of tourists in town. people came here to pay their respects to him. this isn't particularly surprising. he was 95. he resigned ten years ago because he didn't feel he had the stamina to be able to continue to lead the catholic church. so while it's sad, it's not really seen as a tragic event. a lot of people consider him to be their pope. the more traditional conservative catholics are mourning this in a different way. he has been declining in healthy. pope francis calling for prayers for him after seeing him. the two of them had a cordial relationship despite the fact

that they were very, very different types of people and governed the church in very, very different ways. phil. >> father reese, it's been a fascinating dynamic. somewhat confusing to some degree, as an american catholic, watching the pope emeritus and pope francis co-exist. the resignation shocked the world. can you explain the dynamic that existed between those two in this very, very rare moment for the church in the last several years? >> i think that pope francis and pope emeritus benedict got along well. pope francis referred to him as like having a grandfather in your home. someone you could talk to. i mean, who can the pope talk to that understands what it's like being a pope than another pope? so that was a nice thing for pope francis to have. pope benedict kept in the background, you know. he didn't try to upstage or contradict pope francis. i think he was very supportive

of him. benedict was a humble man. once he stepped down, he realized that he is no longer pope and passes the torch to the new pope. >> barbie, as we watch the coming days play out, what's your sense of kind of pope francis' role in the days ahead? you mentioned he will be coming down there today and kind of what he'll try to convey about his predecessor? >> reporter: well, i think he is going to rally the troops for pope benedict. he is going to get people, you know, to really celebrate his life and his legacy. he will be leading the funeral on thursday. but leading up to that, lying in state, it's a big deal for the -- a lot of catholics and pilgrims will come and pope francis, this event here in the next hour, was already scheduled before pope benedict died. but he will be seen as someone who supports the legacy, not the controversy maybe, around pope

benedict's life. >> yeah, it will be a fascinating several days to watch play out. thanks so much. in ukraine at least one person was killed and 20 others injured in a new year's eve attack on the capital city of kyiv. that's according to the city's mayor. he also said several school buildings in the capital suffered damage in the attacks. ukraine's prime minister accused russia of trying to leave the country in the dark for the new year. cnn's ben wedeman is in kyiv. ben, we talked about this throughout the course of this week. what's the latest in these just kind of constant attacks that have been coming through? >> reporter: today's is particularly intense. about three hours ago we were on the roof of this hotel and heard a variety of very large explosions. some of them were these missiles. others were air defenses in action. now, according to the ukrainian

military, the russians fired from land and from sea. the black sea, 20 missiles. they say 12 were intercepted in kyiv. whether there were direct hits or debris that fell to the ground, it's not all together clear, but it left one person dead and 16 people injured. among them, a japanese journalist. some of those debris or rockets, and i said, as i said, we don't know for sure what hit hotels, residential areas and shops as well. the ukrainians have also turned off 30% of the electricity here in kyiv as a sort of an emergency measure in the event there are more strikes. it appears these strikes today were really intended just to send a very nasty message to the ukrainians on this new year's eve. and it wasn't just kyiv that got hit. mykolaiv in the south got hit. six people were injured there as

well as zaporizhzhia, elsewhere where there were injuries. now, this is something that president zelenskyy warned of several days ago, that perhaps the russians would do exactly that. so this doesn't come as too much of a surprise. and because of the anticipation of such an attack, i'm looking out into the streets. there are very few people out. most have probably gone home, either for safety reasons or to join their loved ones for what is probably going to be a very muted new year's eve celebration. phil. >> yeah, as the world celebrates, the horrors continue in ukraine. thanks so much. ahead, remembering a legend. we will look back at the groundbreaking career of the late barbara walters. also, we are learning about the suspect in the grisly murders of four college students in idea. that's coming up next. conds. the face of clean. the face of whoa.

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murder in the stabbing deaths and felony burglary. an fbi surveillance team tracked him for several days before arresting him in his home state of pennsylvania, 2,500 miles away from where the murders occurred. kohberger is a graduate student in criminology at washington state university. cnn's gene caceres is in pennsylvania where this arrest was made. we were talking about this yesterday on air. what was the big case, the big break that you saw or that you picked up in this case? >> reporter: well, what we are hearing is it was the dna. a source familiar with the investigation confirmed with me last night that, in fact, it was genetic genealogy, that science that was used to lead them to this suspect. and genetic genealogy is relatively new, but it has solved major crimes in this -- in the last few years. of course, kohberger is innocent until proven guilty, but how genetic genealogy works is when they are canvassing a crime

scene and find unknown dna and they think it's significant, they will put that unknown dna through the codis database to see if there is a hit, a match. if isn't, it remains unknown dna. that's when they take it to the public dna databases, the ones that do allow law enforcement to go there. they run it. if there are any familial hits, and it can be distant relatives, that gives them a working knowledge right there to narrow it down to look and try to find that potential suspect. if they find someone they believe is a credible potential suspect, they then have to get the actual dna from that person to match with the unknown dna before there can be any type of arrest. and another cnn source is telling our network that it was that genetic genealogy, that dna, that actually was used to get the arrest warrant along with that white car we heard

about. that is when pennsylvania authorities, pennsylvania state police moved in yesterday morning at 1:30 a.m. to arrest him and he is now housed right here in monroe county, northeastern, pennsylvania, waiting for his next hearing, which will be on tuesday. >> it's such a great window into the complexity of this case that i don't think we were really aware of until yesterday. jean cazares, thank you. let's bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. investigators zeroed in on the suspect after using the dna and tracking of that white hyundai elantra seen near the crime scene. walk us through how investigators would put the puzzle pieces together for something with this level of complexity. >> well, first of all, you are right. this is a very complex case. in fact, without that dna analysis that we are capable of doing today, if this occurred ten years ago, this may very well have been an unsolved

homicide. there have been great advances in forensic science. what they probably did in processing the scene, of course, collecting a lot of evidence, looking for dna, we do believe that at least a couple of the victims fought back. they had defensive wounds. they might have found skin cells underneath fingernails. they may have found blood during the analysis that did not match any of the victims and they were able to type it and they knew they had unknown dna. then the question is, how do you match it up? and again, they went through codis. if you haven't been arrested for specific offenses to get in the codis database, it's going to be negative. but you do have these companies now that do the ancestry, family tree through dna. and many of them allow law enforcement, fortunately, to at least run it through that database. once they have found a match in terms of a family member, they were able to start narrowing things down to the point where they were able to get a name,

probably ran it through dmv. he owns a white hyundai. you know, he is a student, nine miles or so away from the location where the murders took place. they had surveillance no doubt on him while he was still in the area, because they tracked him across the country. and while he was en route, perhaps they did a search warrant, got hair samples or something from his apartment to be able to match dna. in the old days, we used to follow people around. if they discarded a cigarette butt or bottle of water you recovered it and get dna from that. there are a variety of ways they could have gotten his dna enough to establish probable cause to get a warrant for his arrest in pennsylvania. >> one of the things that struck me as i was watching the press conference yesterday, and there is a lot of information that state and local officials said they couldn't talk about. according to idaho law it's under seal until the extradition. there is a lot of criticism of

law enforcement how they handled this case, lack of information, conflicting statements near. do you believe in hindsight that k criticism wasn't merited? >> it wasn't merited. people who criticize, people who never conducted a homicide investigation for the most part. at the very beginning did they provide more information than they should have? for an example, this was a targeted attack. people in the community need not worry about anything. then they had to walk that back. they put too much information out in the early stages as opposed to the other way around. bad guys watch the news, too. and so you have to really be careful when you are putting information out publicly. and i know people want to know, but in order to solve the case, and that's the focus of law enforcement, is to get the person responsible for it. not just put out information. then you have to hold certain information close to the vest because in the era we're in now

with social media 24-hour news cycles, sometimes in these investigations you find yourself in competition with that as much as anything else, trying to keep information from being public. and so i think they did a tremendous job. my hat's off to the moscow police department, idaho state police, fbi, everyone who participated. this was a complicated case that very well could have gone unsolved but they were able to bring it in. >> yeah, it's a complicated balancing act. i don't envy those who have to do it. they believed they reached the outcome they wanted. chief ramsey, a thanks so much for your time, sir. and we have lost a legend. barbara walters has died at the age of 93. coming up next, a look back at her legacy and the trail three blazed for women everywhere. ♪ it's our turn now we'l'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more agilitity. ♪ ♪ the old way of working is deader than me. ♪

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today we are also mourning the loss of an american akon. barbara walters, the legendary news anchor passed away at 93. she joinedans news in 1976, the first female anchor on an evening news program. a co-host of "20/20" and in 1997 launched "the view." barbara walters passed away at home surrounded by loved ones. she was a trail blazer not only for female journalists but for all women. cnn's richard roth has more on her ground breaking career. >> reporter: barbara walters was one of the most fascinating people of any year in the television era. i know that i have done some

important interviews. i know that i have been a part of history. >> reporter: was she ever. >> are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> yes, i think so, because they were private conversations. >> we read that you are mad. >> reporter: from murderers -- >> why did you kill john lennon? >> reporter: to movie stars. >> are you a changed man since the illness? did you mind being thought of as sex, sex, sex? i think what is important is to have curiosity. follow that curiosity. i am a great believer in homework. >> reporter: before people revealed all on social media, barbara walters was the interviewer to open up the stars. >> does he hit you? >> he shakes. he pushes. he swings. >> i'm me and i hope they think i'm fair and can be penetrating without being a killer, and i am, i hope. >> reporter: and which interview was her most important?

>> the first and at that time the only interview of anwar sadat. >> reporter: she said her 1977 interview with cuba's fidel castro was a news coup. >> the man who runs the country? a man who allows no dissent. >> reporter: castro didn't make it easy. >> blowing the cigar that he smokes in my face for 3 1/2 hours, i didn't mind. it was a different time. >> reporter: about 74 million people, the most viewers for a news program, tuned in to see monica lewinsky, the white house intern involved with president clinton. >> what will you tell your children when you have them? >> mommy made a big mistake. >> reporter: she got a reputation for making her interview guests cry. >> i never got to know --

>> and you won't feel so big. >> reporter: after katharine hepburn said she felt like an old tree, walters was cut down by critics for asking this. >> what kind of a tree are you? >> reporter: it didn't take long for waurlt to become part of pop culture. >> hello. this is barbara wawa. >> reporter: the same network that made fun of her is where she got her break, nbc's "today" show. >> i was not a television sufficientry get. after going there 11 years, i was named the first co-host of a morning tprogram. >> reporter: she was not permitted by her co-host to ask a question until he posed three. >> harry reezner. barbara walters. >> reporter: it got worse when walters, to the surprise of many, was named the first female co-anchor of a network evening newscast. >> you owe me four minutes. >> reporter: she later described it as drowning without a life

preserver. >> the barbara walters special. >> the specials saved my life. good evening, i'm barbara walters. >> reporter: and launched a legendary career at abc. capped by creating and co-hosting "the view." >> when did you first learn about sex? >> i didn't learn about sex until i started to do the show and now i know more about sex than i ever wanted to know. the chemistry of it and the fact that it's live, that it's outrageous, that you never know what you are going to hear. >> reporter: when she left "the view" and abc, they named a building in her honor. a lasting monument for a woman who changed tv. >> i am a proud of the women today. there are so many of them that are wonderful. that's my legacy. >> remarkable legendary career. coming up, high inflation, high interest rates, a possible recession. how can you possibly be prepared financially for the new year? a personal finance expert joins me next. and sunday night music icon

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year notching the first negative year since 2018 and the worst overall since the financial crisis of 2008. the s&p fell 38%. investors were spooked by economic uncertainties as the fed tried to choke off four decade high inflation with higher interest rates. raising the benchmark interest rate seven times in 2022. joining me is mieshle singletary, personal financial columnist for "the washington post." it was a tough year for stocks. i think more importantly for viewers, inflation made it difficult for consumers as well for all of us who have that conversation that happens at the end of every year with their wife, husband or spouse about, like, hey, let's figure out the finances. what should people be doing to start off 2023 on the right note? do you have any last-minute tips? >> yeah, i think for 2023 the big news is that inflation is still going to be a problem. it was in 2022. it's going to continue in 2023.

and so if you are living paycheck to paycheck or you are just squeezing by, 2023 means that you need to boost your savings as much as you can and if you have consumer debt, especially high interest credit card debt, get rid of it as soon as possible. >> now, you wrote no one knows where the economy is headed in the new year, it's impossible to say with precision what the future holds for the economy when it comes to consumer prices, inflation, interest rates or the stock market. that sounds great. but it's worth noting that wall street doesn't either. they got everything wrong in 2022. so as you think about preparing financial, talking about debt, how else should people be thinking through the uncertainty of what's coming? >> so if you are saving for retirement or kids' college fund, you can't panic and invest based on what's happening now.

i know that sounds crazy because everything is looking at their portfolio at the end of the year thinking, what happened? but long term, recessions end, economic downturns end, stock market, you know, comes back historically. and so don't panic. let me reverse that. panic, scream, ah! but don't act on that. so keep it from. and, you know, moving towards retirement, be sure to build up those cash reserves so that if the market continues to do in 2023 what it did in 2022, you don't have to pull out that money right away. also, remember that if you are going to retire, you are likely going to have 20, maybe 30 years before you need to tap that money. and so take out what you need, just what you need, and let the rest sit there and do what it does, which, you know, over time will increase and, hopefully, keep pace with inflation.

>> yeah. scream but always recognize the long-term or long game here. last one here. i should know more about this because i cover washington. there were retirement changes made by congress at the end of the year signed into law. how should people feel like they nay be affected by the new law that has been put into place? >> there are so many good things for retirement plans. one thing, if you have to take required minimum distributions, you reach a certain age and the government says we let you put money away for retirement, we need it back for taxes. now the law changed so you have to 73 starting next year to pull money out of your retirement plan. also, if you say you came out of college and you got a lot of student loan debt and your company matches but you can't put enough in there because you are trying to pay off that debt, now the law allows the company to put that match into your retirement account while you are trying to pay off that stoudent

loan debt. that's a great thing for people coming out with student loan debt. >> logical legislating. what a novel idea. michelle singletary, read her, pay attention to her, scream, but don't act. thanks so much. have a great new year. >> thank you. happy new year to you, as well. as we noted, new year, new congress. republicans are set to take over the house for the first time in four years, but who will actually take the speaker's gavel? that's still up in the air. more on that coming up next.

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house majority with a slim margin. house republican leader kevin mccarthy is still racing to secure the votes he needs to be elected as the next peeker on tuesday despite making concessions some supporters feel may fail to secure enough vets and would definitely weak on his ability to govern. joining me is jackie, cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief for "the boston globe" and david, a cnn political commentator and senior staff writer from "the new york times" opinion. jackie and i are rather anxious looking. it's a big day and night for us. >> big day. >> jackie, i want to start with you. as a savvy veteran of the this town and in particular the speaker's lobby on capitol hill, when you look into 2023, the new majority and what that means, give viewers a sense of what congress is going to be like this year. >> very adversarial with the white house. we will see to what end. there is already a little bit of friction between the oversight

committees by jim jordan and congressman comer and the white house saying they have to kind of restart their inquiries because they are taking over the committees. that is natural. what is not natural is that you have the lengths that kevin mccarthy is having to go through to become speaker because if you're talking about how do your constituents potentially fire you in a job interview, it's not the greatest start to your tenure as speaker if he gets over the line. >> yeah, i don't think that's how your "boston globe" interview went based on my sources. david, one of the questions i have, people are viewing kind of the absurdity is the word of congressman-elect george santos, the lies and embellishments and the mccarthy race as separate entities. i find that they are closely together in the sense of how mccarthy has to operate in this moment in time. how much do you think kevin mccarthy will have to give up if he wants to be speaker of the

house as he keeps in mind that he needs every vote at this point? >> yeah, good morning, phil and jackie. i am in a family of michigan fans. i will still wish you a happy new year -- >> sorry, we just lost david's connection. did we lose david? he is off the -- no, no more. go ahead, man much [ laughter ] >> no, so, listen, this is what is at the heart of this speaker's race, which is that republicans, especially in the freedom caucus, are either misunderstanding or willfully misunderstanding what the role of the speaker is. it's part fundraiser, part lion tamer, part cat herder. it's not a job for the firebrand or idea log. so you want to pick the best person to organize a caucus that has put a lot on its plate, including dealing with congressman-elect santos, including dealing with the committees that jackie mentioned, including figuring out the best way to at least

attempt to legislate whether they don't control the senate and don't control the white house. so, yeah, there is probably going to be a few ballots on tuesday, not a tremendous number, but and mccarthy may have to give up a few concessions in order to get to that threshold of majority to become the speaker, but at the end of the day if you're the republican you have to ask yourself, why are you putting yourselves through this? why are you kneecapping whoever becomes your speaker? i think it will probably be congressman mccarthy right at the start of his speakership. a lot is at stake in the next congress. >> no question. jackie, you mentioned there is a different between pledging to do investigations and actually doing them. what's your sense of where jim jordan, future chairman comer, how do they land in terms of their ability to deliver on a lot of things they pledged on the investigative side? >> well, so you are not going to have a white house that wants to play ball. in some ways, when you don't -- as david mentioned, when you

don't control the other levers of government, your job is to sort of create problems and make sure that the biden -- biden's administration is preparing for this. they have lawyers. they have people that are preparing for the investigations into, say, hunter biden, into the -- sorry, excuse me, my arcis, the dhs secretary. there are preparationsing being made. that is the job of the republican majority in ways because they can't legislate in a lot of ways. they are not going to get signed by the white house. but the investigative committees have a tremendous amount of power, which is why you are seeing a lot of disagreement between some of the fire brands and the more moderate members about what they should go after. there are questions to investigate fauci, for example, investigate the fbi. there is disagreement there. we will see how it works out as we go forward in this brave new

majority. >> you know, david, one of the questions i have had, contrary to what everybody sees publicly, there is a lot of bipartisan legislation that got done in the last congress. sniff legislation as well. there are republican senators who want to work with the democrats. the president wants to, as well. do you see any pathways to bipartisanship on the legislative front given kind of the posture of everyone at this point? >> well, i think there is a couple of things that can happen. one is that because democrats control the senate and the white house still, even though house republicans are going to put forward some of their pet legislation, democrats can sit back and pick and choose, okay, here are areas where we can work together. an example to me, i am going to the senate side, is when the first infrastructure bill got 19 republican votes in the senate and passed very breezily before democrats had to fight tooth and nail to get the rest of the budget done. the other thing that i think is going to be important is to see whether congressman mccarthy probably soon to be speaker

mccarthy winds up trying to hold up budget deals with government shutdowns or the like as we get a little bit further into the congress. that's not going to, obviously, come up right away because some bills were passed at the end of this congress. but as we turn to 2023 and then it will be 2024 before we know it, the parties are going to be posturing for this presidential race coming up and i think that is going to slow down legislating in the second half of the new congress. >> yeah. it will be a fascinating year to watch play out. jackie, my buckeye sister, good luck. david, you are dead to me now that i know you have michigan members in your family. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. the attorney for the suspect arrested for the horrific killings of the four university of idaho students in november said his client intends to waive extradition. bryan kohberger was arrested in

pennsylvania and charged with four counts of first-degree murder in the stabbing deaths as well as felony burglary. su cnn's jean cazares jones us from pennsylvania where that arrest was made. this is important for a number of different reasons. why? >> reporter: well, we just spoke and got off the phone with jason la bar, the chief public defender, who will be and is representing the defendant in this case, and he said that he has spoken with his client. he actually came to visit him right here at the correctional facility yesterday and he will be waiving extradition to expedite his trip back to idaho. so this is an answer that we have been wondering about because it is in his hands, kohberger's hands, what will happen in all of this. we got some more information. he also said that kohberger arrived here in northeastern pennsylvania, his home, on december 17th. and he has been here since then.

he is now in isolation in the correctional facility, which is standard when you have a high-to profile case like this. he originally was on suicide watch, which is standard with this facility. he is not anymore. his family is not allowed to visit him, but mr. la bar said that he has spoken with the family and they are absolutely shocked at what has happened. so we are waiting the extradition proceeding on tuesday. but that is the last information that we have. i do want to mention one thing that he did say. mr. kohberger has been accused of very serious crimes, but the american justice system cloaks him in a veil of innocence. and once judgment about the facts of the case unless and until a fair jury and a fair trial in court at which time all sides will be heard. phil. >> great reporting as always. thanks so much. we'll be right back.

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. finally, the college football playoffs, kick off tonight. the defending champions, number one team in the land, georgia taking on the four seed the ohio state university buckeyes in the chick-fil-a peach bowl. number two michigan faces off against number three tcu in the fiesta bowl. the winners of these games set to go head-to-head in the national championship game a week from monday. here to walk us through it all. cnn's coy wire and bleacher report college football reporter morgan moriarty. coy, first kickoff today 4:00 p.m. tcu/michigan.

give me the tale of the tape. >> you have michigan in the playoff for a second straight season and then you have tcu who has never been in it. head coach jim harbaugh for the walgreens has turned them into a ground and pound powerhouse, 240 yards per game rushing and a top five slobberknocker defense to boot. they will be against heisman finalist quarterback max duggan. he plays with heart and grit. lost his starting job in the preseason due to injury but fought back. now he leads the fifth best passing efficiency offense in the nation. the horned frogs have six players who ever played in any bowl game before. so experience could play a factor. >> yeah, an amazing story. morgan, not talking about the line here, does either team have the edge in this first semifinal as you think through it? >> yeah. this is going to be a great matchup. obviously, michigan's about a 7 1/2 point favorite for a reason. they did the unexpected, right?

they beat ohio state, sorry phil, for the first time since 1999 and 2000 to do that. that's pretty incredible. obviously, michigan is favored. their offense is like coy said, ground and pound. their quarterback, j.j. mccarthy, i really expect donovan edwards to have a good game. obviously, missing blake coram is big. he is not as explosive a playmaker as coram. but i like the chances for michigan to be able to run the ball. that's the biggest thing i think for this tcu defense, is going to be being able -- against that run game of michigan. that's going to be key. if they can do what they did against texas, they had a great game, that's i think key for tcu. michigan a heavy favorite. they are great on defense as well. >> yeah, no question. i appreciate you stabbing me multiple times in the heart as you walked through the history of the ohio state/michigan matchup. coy, along those lines, obviously, the big matchup of the night, georgia/ohio state.

explain why ohio state will definitely win this game. >> well, it looked like they have a shot. you know all about what it felt like when they won fwh 2002 when you were a young buckeye playing on the baseball team and they won a national title then. this is a battle of heisman finalists quarterbacks, stetson bennett from georgia, c.j. stroud of ohio state. stroud lietz the second most efficient passing offense at 44 points per game. they are going against that georgia defense. this team lost 15 players to the nfl draft from their national title team a year ago, five first-rounders on defense but they keep finding ways to reload. we talked with bennett. he is a 25-year-old quarterback. he has those old man vibes. five-year pro star lamar jackson won the heisman back 2016. he also 25 years old. so he has got this veteran leadership. here is his response when he was

told that his teammates said that he has the worst taste in music on the team. watch this. >> no. they are wrong. i have got like -- i have got the best -- ♪ ♪ >> right? what are they talking about? i have got the best taste in music. >> how can you not rally around someone like that? look out for your buckeyes, phil. >> he is annoyingly likable, and old, apparently. last one before i let you go. give me the predictions. what are we thinking in the 4:00 p.m. game and 8:00 p.m. game? coy, i'll start with you. >> well, i am going with michigan. i think they are ready, jim harbaugh has the team rolling. because i love you, phil, so much, in the georgia/ohio state game, i will keep it real with you. georgia by a lot. sorry. >> what? >> morgan? >> yeah, i think these are going

to be some great games. i am going with michigan. i'd like to see this game close. i don't know if their defense can be able to against this michigan defense. on the other side, hate to break your heart, phil, but georgia is going to win. they haven't slowed down. ohio state is talented. i think if it's a win, that would be great. we want to see georgia tested. i will say georgia by about seven, maybe ten points today. sorry, phil. >> no, it's totally fine. >> we will never be on phil's show ever again. >> i look forward to never talking to either of you again or reading your great work. i enjoyed the time i had with you guys before this broadcast. [ laughter ] . big night tonight. thanks so much, guys. >> you got it. in the next hour of "newsroom" starts right now. ♪ >> good saturday morning and thank you so much for joining me. i'm phil mattingly in for fredricka whitfield.